Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 25  Date: 09-20-2005 16:26 Author: Visioni, Nicole Anne <nvisioni@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Maxine Greene Maxine Greene and Lincoln Center Institute: Setting the Context; this article absolutely inspired me. I received a BA in drama and have the greatest passion for theater and the performing arts. It has always been my belief that children be exposed to  "the arts" in every facet, I just never had documented support as to WHY. "Aesthetic education"  speaks to me as a student and future educator in earlly childhood.  It is all encompassing; "cognitive, perceptual, emotional and imaginative development."  I support Greene's philosophy that "new connections are made in experiences, new patterns are formed and new vistas opened,"  - because we should be "enabling learners to notice what is there to be noticed." As an educator it is my goal to learn how to better educate my students "how to notice, what there is is to be noticed." I am guilty of the obligatory "WOW'S and "AWESOME'S" after viewing great works of art, or great theater (you see, I'm using "great")  I sometimes over-look the obvious and do not articulate my thoughts and ideas the best possible way, and it is my responsibilty as an educator to prepare myself to fully explore and emerse myself in several art forms. This article validates my thoughts and connects the unanswered pieces as to why children need "aesthetic eduaction" as part of their curriculum. Maxine Greene puts a name to what I belief, many artist/educators need while developing curriculum for any stage of development.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 21  Date: 09-22-2005 11:54 Author: Gauthier, Gladys <ggauthie@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Re: Maxine Greene Maxine Greene stated that Aesthetic Education is integral to the development of a person's cognitive, perceptual, emotional and imaginative development.  I  have always felt  very strongly about this.  I feel that the "Arts" are important to a child's personal  and academic success in school and life.  Asthetic Education is involved with a new way of seeing, hearing, feeling and moving.  As "perceivers" of a work of art and not just "lookers" , we allow ourselves to see it in a different light and admire its intricacies.  It also allows us to be more sensitive and more in tuned with our environment.  As an educatior, we must allow a child to feel free to discover themselves and to find their own voices.  But in order to accomplish this, we too must be "perceivers" to be better and more affective educators.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 24  Date: 09-23-2005 20:51 Author: Mcgougain, Karen <kmcgouga@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject aesthetic education I wholeheartedly agree with Maxine Greene's article about aesthetic education. First and foremost the author does a good job in explaining what aesthetic education is. "Aesthetic education is concerned with perception, sensation, and imagination." The author discusses how art work allows the children  to express their feelings and emotion through paint and clay.I must say that I myself tend to use the adjectives, "wow" and "awesome" to describe a work of art. We as teachers and soon to be teachers must take a deeper look into why did I just use those adjectives to describe the work of art. We should examine the art work in detail. We should describe what we see in detail. We should be more responsive to the art work. As educators we should not only be lookers, but we must play a bigger role in the lives of our children. We should critically examine the art work. Art is a symbol of feeling and emotions. Therefore we should take a bigger and better look at art and what it has to offer to our education system as well as our children.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 19  Date: 09-24-2005 22:45 Author: Martin, Suzanne <smart@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Re: aesthetic education- Reading this article, I thought of a quote that I love, "When people know better, they do better." It is so true and art can be one of these experiences. Through art, a child can learn many different facets of the world and about themselves. It takes a good teacher to bring this to light. Art can spur creativity, thought, and best of all, curiosity. As teachers, we should strive to be knowledgeable, insightful and make it fun.  I think our positive experiences within the class and becoming more educated about an aesthetic education will translate into a very positive experience for our students.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 18  Date: 09-25-2005 11:33 Author: Kochman, Rebecca <rkochman@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Maxine Green article In the article "Defining Aestheic Education", I really liked the approach to aestheics as being, encounters with art and infused with education and really hands on, for students to see a different light of learning. By using different methods of art, and bringing a variety of aesthics into the classroom, allows more flexiablity and creativity for the instructor. As well not just using art, but many ways of art expression, into the classroom, and into the teachers mindsets allows for a flow of creations in and out of the classroom.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 25  Date: 09-25-2005 11:46 Author: Gerold, Melissa <mgerold@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Maxine Greene response "Many educators regarded activities in the performing arts as additives to what is generally considered essential education."  It's amazing how in the 1960's art was viewed in such a negative way, however, what makes this even more disappointing is the fact that many people believe this very statement to be true to this day.  Many people nowadays need to learn from workshops like Greene's.  "After listening to these lectures...countless teachers have asked new questions, views ideas in a different way, and even transformed some part of their life or work." Introducing aesthetic education to students in communities is a wonderful idea the Institute developed.  It allows children to express themselves through different mediums.  It allows different areas of a child's development to develop, be it through perception, cognition, etc. The creation of Maxine Greene's workshops was an excellent idea, because in order for our children to learn, our teachers have to learn, and what better way for a teacher to learn but through immersion.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 12  Date: 09-25-2005 13:03 Author: Chynsky, Rebecca <rchynsky@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Re: aesthetic education- Maxine Greene's definitions of aesthetic education; aesthetic is "an adjective used to describe or single out the mode of experience brought into being by encounters with works of art" and education "a process of enabling persons to become different..." Greene asserts that "through the lenses of various ways of knowing, seeing and feeling" art education can allow children to experience and explore different media.    I believe that through this simplified definition, educators can be more self-reflexive and push children to think differently about art in more abstract, less concrete ways.  They can create art and discuss it more fluidly because they are allowed to think beyond the obvious of what they are seeing.  They can make a connection to what the art makes them feel as well.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 12  Date: 09-25-2005 17:57 Author: Olivo, Damaris <dolivo@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Re: Maxine Greene When reading this article, I thought about aesthetic education.  Aesthetic education allows children to be different and unique.  Through art works such as paintings and sculptures, children can explore their feelings, emotions, imaginations and creativity.  As educators we need to to push and allow children to be different, so that they can explore their individuality.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 13  Date: 09-25-2005 18:19 Author: Nelson, Barbara A <bceccari@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Maxine Greene In reading Maxine Greene's "Defining Aesthetic Education" I was struck  by how she does not separate aesthetics from any part of our lives.  I agree that we bring our own personal histories when creating, viewing, experiencing art and that by doing so we "may open channels of aesthetic awareness."  Additionally, Ms. Greene talks about learning to notice things and how our perception is heightened when we allow ourselves to look at the world.  I think this is a valuable lesson to teach children in school, one that would help them in all areas of their schooling.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 10  Date: 09-25-2005 18:39 Author: Braverman, Shari <sbraverm@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject aesthetic education I thought this article was very enlightening.  During my school years, art education was always considered secondary to basic learning, or as the author states, a "frill".  Aesthetic education in our school system today can help students appreciate more the beauty and value of the arts.  It raises the bar on how we perceive certain things and how it can enrich our lives in so many different ways. The next time I look at a painting or see a show or read a poem I hope to be more aware of what I am experiencing.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 16  Date: 09-25-2005 21:01 Author: Estevez, Leslie A <lesteve@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject My reponse to Maxine Greene's Aesthetic Education I truly agree with Maxine Greene on the fact that we need to learn about art and be exposed to different kinds of art works in order to be able to interpret them with more than just "Wow!"or "Cool!"  I love the example she gave about the teacher who tried to communicate to his "non-hearing wife" what he had experience by listening to Bach.  They were at different levels. He knew what to listen for and what to notice, she on the other hand was okay with just feeling the beat.  Sadly to say, I am also like the "non-hearing wife," when it comes to art. Indeed Aesthetic education is necessary, but teachers as well as students need to learn about it. This will empower teachers to teach their students about art and will give students the ability to express themselves in ways that probably words can't express.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 12  Date: 09-25-2005 21:06 Author: Estevez, Leslie A <lesteve@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Re: Maxine Greene response I agree with Melissa. Like I mentioned in my response, teachers need to be exposed to aesthetic education before they can teach it.  Maxine Greene's workshops are one of the best ways to expose both teachers and students to art.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 8  Date: 09-25-2005 21:52 Author: Del Pinal, Jennifer <jdelpina@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Maxine Greene #1 When I first read Greene’s definition of “aesthetic education,” I was a little taken aback. What I discovered is that perhaps my own thoughts and definition of these words were more “traditional”. While I have come to broaden my definition of education, to me, “aesthetic” still refers to the way something looks. It does not seem to be how Greene defines it. I did strongly agree and relate to her saying that “art education” relates to the way children interpret art and the media they use to express it—that is, clay, paint, dance, song, etc. Greene’s definition of education relies heavily on perception. I was reminded a lot of the Eisner article where he talked of “thinking out of the box” and how art facilitates that level of thinking because of interpretation. To me, interpretation and perception are inextricably linked; what one perceives to be will influence how one interprets that. The really exciting aspect of this is that everyone can experience a different reality because conceivably perceptions and resulting interpretations can be different. To take what Greene purports in her writing a step further, the sharing of these perceptions (and interpretations) enriches education for all because each person is given exposure to different thoughts and opinions. These opportunities in educational settings are important and should be leveraged, not only in the context of art, but other subjects, too.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 9  Date: 09-25-2005 21:58 Author: Shan, Hui Fang <hfshan@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Rsponse to the article about aesthetic education After finished reading the aritcle by Maxine Greene "Defining Aesthetic Education" I feel even more confused about what is the true definition of "Aesthetic Education".  Through out the article I feel that the writer seems to emphasizes that aesthetic education requires a process of experiencing the background, meduim, atomesphere and even the history of the art work.  however, as I was reading the article, I realized that Maxine Greene has enriched the article by introducing many differnt kinds of  literature, paintings, and music these are the work that I never studied before. despite the fact that the writer has made detail decribtion on each individual art work, I still couldn't vidualized the picture the author want me to see.  unfortunately, I didn't see any pictures within the article. It not only makes me realizd how insufficient my knowledege in the filed of arts are.  in addition, it also proof that aesthetic education can never be success if people cannot see it, feel it and expeince it.  In the article, I found one aspect that Maxine Greene mentioned not only apply to art works, but also people in the conmmunity:  "But when persons open themselves to one another, there is always a sense of new profile to be experience...So it often is encounter with the arts, if we are open, if we take the time, if we attend from out own center, if we arepresent as a living, perceving beings, there is always, always more." the theory of aesthetic education not only can impplies on art works, humans can also be a seiries of unique, extrodinery arts that worth to be evaluate in aesthetic point of view when we are practicing differnet kind of activities.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 8  Date: 09-25-2005 22:33 Author: Pang, Nga-Sze <npan@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject aesthetic education ""Aesthetic education," then, is an intentional undertaking designed to nurture appreciative, reflective, cultural, participatory engagements with the arts by enabling learners to notice what is there to be noticed, and to lend works of art their lives in such a way that they can achieve them as variously meaningful.  When this happens, new connections are made in experience: new patterns are formed, new vistas are opened.  Persons see differently, resonate differently..." Since many, myself included, look at works of art or various performances just by looking and going wow that's really cool, we don't always see the real beauty of the work because we don't internalize it the way some other people would.  We see what's on the outside and then move on to something else.  When you've learned to appreciate a work of art, you have to really see it and have it mean something to you and notice all the things about it rather than just the external images that you see.  That's why aesthetic education is so important .  It allows people the opportunity to connect with the art in a much deeper way so that they can really see it to have a purpose and connect to it.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 18  Date: 09-25-2005 22:53 Author: Huang, Jenny F <jihuang@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Response to Maxine Greene article According to Maxine Greene, aesthetics is "the term used to single out a particular field in philosophy, one concerned about perception, sensation, imagination, and how they relate to knowing, understanding, and feeling about the world." In the article, she discusses how the different forms of art, such as painting, music, dance and poetry, are interpreted and given meaning by individuals with different opinions, different "perceptions", "imaginations" etc. That is how a work of art comes alive. Art is not art unless it is shared with someone.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 10  Date: 09-25-2005 23:04 Author: Gomlak, Michael Just <mgomlak@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Re: Response to Maxine Greene article I agree, but would add that art isn't art without someone to experience it...otherwise, it's just words on a page, or colors on a canvas, or sounds from an instrument. Without the perceiver, we have no art.  This is Maxine Greene's premise, and what she wants us to do is instill in ourselves as teachers the ability to experience a work of art in a personal way...and then pass that method of looking at life on to our students.  We live in an MTV world.  Everything moves very fast, by design...and children are usually on the cutting edge of the technologies that make it so.  So we as educators are challenged to expose our students to a different way to looking at life-the slower, more difficult, but infinitely more rewarding way.  This is no small task, and although Maxine Greene's words are inspiring and SO eloquent, we are left with a generation of PARENTS who need to heed her words...not to mention their children.  This is our challenge.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 7  Date: 09-26-2005 07:00 Author: Gerold, Melissa <mgerold@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Re: My reponse to Maxine Greene's Aesthetic Education I agree with Leslie.  As I stated in my response, the only way our children will learn is if our teachers know what to teach, and how to teach.  How else are children supposed to learn?

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 9  Date: 09-26-2005 12:39 Author: Ostrov, Stephanie <sostrov@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Maxine Greene: aesthetic education "Aesthtic" is an adjective used to describe or single out the mode of experience brought into being by encounters with works of art. Education is a process of enabling persons to become, different to enter the multiple provinces of meaning that create perspectives on the works." These two lines really hit me for some reason after reading the article.  I think it is because i realize now that art and teaching art is more than colors, shapes, and pictures on paper however,  it is a window to someones soul.  There is always an idea or story behind a piece of work and i believe that it is so important for children to be exposed to art at a young age for many different reasons.  I think it teaches them creativity, choice, and how to be individuals and express their thoughts and feelings.  Children need to experience with different mediums until they feel comfortable with their pieces that they create.  First they need to learn to view art as more than just pictures on paper.  I used to look at art and do the same thing and say wow i like that color or picture but i never saw the hidden meaning or ideas.  Maxine Greene is right when she states that teachers need to "transform their leanring into innovative classroom teaching that recognizes perception, cognitive, affect, and the imagination as ways of knowing."  We as educators need to show children that art is a great way to open up and express whats inside and it really in my eyes helps children's development in multiple ways.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 6  Date: 09-26-2005 12:43 Author: Ostrov, Stephanie <sostrov@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Re: Response to Maxine Greene article I agree...I feel that i have never been introduced to art in the way of seeing someones point of view or ideas...in school we looked at art but never what is means and expresses...i am so gulity of seeing nothing but the colors on the page...until now i realize the importance of art and what positive thigns it can do to children....as educators we have a challenge your right but it is one that will def benefit these children if they can see past the colors and shapes and look deepier into the piece.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 7  Date: 09-26-2005 16:12 Author: Tindell, Julie <jtindell@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Re: Maxine Greene response I agree with that statement.  Aesthetic education seems so important to me, as it can totally alter a child's perception.  A child will have the opportunity to learn innovative information and techniques simply by being introduced to different approaches.  Also, I think that it is important to mention that because there is not always only one single answer (Elliot Eisner), the varying arts programs can allow children to explore different mediums throughout their own environments.  In Maxine Green's article, the quote regarding education really stuck out to me: "education signifies the nurture of a special kind of reflectiveness and expressiveness, a reaching out for meaning, a learning to learn."  I interpreted that statement as each individual is going to view learning through his/her own goggles; one can only draw conclusions based on his/her own life experiences.  I feel that this relates to Maxine's philosophy, as a teacher must be open to all facets of learning and viewing the picture/art experience not only through his/her own eyes.  For example, "Children of a Lesser God" provided us with the example about a man, who is upset that his non-hearing wife cannot appreciate the Bach music in the same manor that he can.  She, however, seemed to enjoy it, simply feeling the pulsating rhythm.  One can draw a conclusion about the importance of allowing each individual to appreciate the experience he/she experiences in his/her own way. The project of educating educators truly seems to be a great one...  How great to know that the participants are so open to new experiences, thus asking new questions and transforming their own views on life, arts and education.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 7  Date: 09-27-2005 18:01 Author: Olivo, Damaris <dolivo@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Re: Maxine Greene: aesthetic education When reading this article, I thought about aesthic education.  Aesthic education allows children to be different and unique.  Through art works such as paintings and sculptures, children can explore their feelings, emotions, imaginations and creativity.  As educators, we need to push children in different ways and allow them to explore thier individuality.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 7  Date: 10-31-2005 14:34 Author: Dreher, Holly D <hdreher@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Maxine Greene Reading this article, I thought about aesthetic education.  What is Aesthetic education? What does it do? It allows children to be different and unique.  Through works of art such as paintings and sculptures, children can explore their feelings, emotions, imaginations and creativity.  Furthermore, as educators we need to help children are different, so that they can explore their individuality. Art is becoming obsolete; children are being prepared to be a number or a statistic. We need to help the arts in the future before it dies out. Remember, Art is as important as Math or reading.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 7  Date: 11-06-2005 21:16 Author: Rodgers, Makenzie <mrodgers@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Maxine Greene I found myself saying "Yes. Yes. Why aren't we doing this?" She hit the nail on the head several times. We do not teach our children to articulate and experience art. I am guilty of this- I sit in front of a piece and can't express what I feel. I have am waiting  for someone else to give me the vocabulary, tell me how I should feel, what it means. I am waiting to get spoon fed. Every teacher should experience art in order to teach children how to.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 5  Date: 11-27-2005 12:32 Author: Lee, Nancy <nle0012@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Resonding to maxine greene I feel that as I was growing up in school, art was not a major part of the curriculum. I was never taught to look at art in a different angle. It was always a straight forward answer, right or wrong, yes or no. I feel that as i go into teaching i dont have the knowledge to teach my children art. I just give them a piece of paper and have them draw what they want. But after reading the artle and doing art exercise in the class, i have a better aspect of how to be a creative teacher. There is no right or wrong in expressing art. I always keep that in mind when i tell my children to draw something or create a structure.

Forum: Maxine Greene #1 Times Read: 6  Date: 12-04-2005 20:46 Author: Morzy, Kamila <kmorzy@hunter.cuny.edu> Subject Maxine Greene Statement that “not all problems have one correct answer” has appealed to me as well.  Educators often are satisfied with mare summaries of pieces of literature or descriptions of artworks in ways that they have been taught or in ways that have been described by scholars. By doing so, however, they seem to miss one key point: such interpretations may enrich the student with information about a point in history described in a literary piece or a painting style of an artwork but what about student’s true appreciation of such an piece?  What does such a piece mean to its reader/viewer? Greene stresses that one truly benefits from responding to a piece of art if he/she makes it his/her own.  She argues that educators should enable their students to “enter the multiple provinces of meaning that create perspectives on works” and for that to be possible “the learner must break with the taken-for-granted, what some call the “natural attitude,” and look through the lenses of various ways of knowing, seeing, and feeling in a conscious endeavor to impose different orders upon experience.” The accurateness of this statement is striking.  If we merely paraphrase someone else’s outlook on a piece of work, how does it make it meaningful to us?  Wouldn’t we appreciate the value of a piece of art if we tried to approach it with both information we’ve learned and our personal experiences?  I always remember an artwork more if I’m allowed to feel or experience the emotions such a work evokes on me.  As a future teacher, I’ll try to encourage my students to allow the works they study speak to them.  Studying the history behind a piece of art is just not enough.