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Forum: Elliot Eisner
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Date: 08-29-2005 17:13
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Author: Toth, John <>
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What does Eisner have to say about the
the arts:
Malissa brings up a good point about
the success that comes from having multipl solutions to problems.
Nicole & Barbara have tapped
into the core of the problem that goes back to early childhood where we
first begin to sense failure. This is what the test does, it measures
failure in pursuit of an impossible ABSOLUTE excelence that is determined
from the outset; nothing new is generated. Only knowledge APPLIED becomes
a truth. The Arts confirm this, as facts are generated into a new
creation.
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Date: 08-29-2005 21:55
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A part of Eisner's article stood out
to me: the idea of art as a metaphor for life.
Art, like life, is not definitive. There is no "one way"
but many paths, open to a variety of interpretations. How are our
children supposed to understand the ins and outs of life if they are
learning that there is only one concrete answer for every problem?
Art teaches valuable lessons:
understanding "cultures," solving problems, creating new
solution, etc. Art opens the mind to endless possibilities.
It helps to understand all aspects of our lives. It serves as a
journey of discovery. Art is about learning new things, having a
broader perspective of the world, life, and ourselves as individuals.
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Date: 09-01-2005 11:54
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After reading The Misunderstandood Role of
the Arts in Human Development, I couldn't help feeling defeated. You
see, I have NEVER excelled in Mathematics and/or science and because of
this "failure" I spent my adolescence feeling
subpar. My strengths have ALWAYS lied in the performing
arts. It wasn't until I attended Ithaca College and studied theater, that
I felt validated. I always new that the science geeks (pardon the
expression) were missing the "big picture". My inability to
solve specific mathematical equations and or scientific
experiments only strengthened my ability to "think outside the
box, " read people, and develop strong interpersonal skills."
When Eisner discusses the fact that "no teacher has direct access to
a child's mind, it is the child's ability to see the
connections..." - this idea, to me, is so poweful. My
experience with teachers was so linear, either you got it or you
didn't. I truely believe my teachers thought they knew what was
going on inside my mind - and that it should have been DIRECTLY linked to
theirs - SCARY! As a new teacher, I want to create an environment
for my students that fosters creativity, "thinking outside the box",
nuturing the idea that most of the time, in life, there are infinite ways
to achive a goal, and/or solve a problem. Those are the values I want my
kindergarteners to leave my classroom with. Intelligence is NOT measured
by one's ability to excel in the sciences, we must put more weight in our
artistic, expresive students! While looking back on my elementary school
years, my teachers did not value the areas of academia that I flurished
in, it was disregarded. My feeling of defeat after reading this article
lies in the fact that I know this close-mindedness will continue and
negatively impact so many talented, interesting young minds. My
hope is that I can make a positive impact on my future students!
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Date: 09-01-2005 15:51
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When reading Eisner's The
Misunderstood Role of the Arts in Human Development I
was having flashbacks to my youth, and could hear my father's voice,
pontificating on the extreme importance of math, logic and science.
I, not being naturally inclined towards any of those things, learned to
gain his approval but "putting forth my best effort."
Looking back at the days in parochial school I recall how different
classrooms were then. We all sat in rows of desk, hardly
interacting with each other, and learned from lectures and textbooks and
worksheets. My art classes, when we had them (not often or
regularly) were not much different - I recall our art teacher
showing us a project and asking us to re-create it - there were no
skill taught or creativity expressed. The only students who
excelled were those projects were those whose parents sent them to art
classes on the weekends.
That being said, what I have seen in
the classroom today is so different and reminds me of the things Eisner
discusses in point number 3, supporting his belief that the "having
fixed objectives and perusing clear cut methods of achieving them are not
always the most rational ways of dealing with the
world." While I agree that we try to plan and
teach in a logical, manufactured way I do think that some of the methods
of process and assessment being implemented today support the needs of
individual children and celebrate the differences in the way they learn
and express themselves. For instance, Everyday Math, a curriculum
used in the public schools, trains teachers to find out how students get
their answers and understand they way their brains work. The set up
of many classrooms, which often use cooperative learning groups, allows
students to learn from each other and be flexible. The use of
portfolio's for assessment also allow for more freedom and expression in
a student's work. The use of the arts in the classroom is so
common in early childhood, which I do believe benefits children in all of
the ways Eisner discusses. While our education system is not
perfect (may never be!) I do believe we have made great strides since I
went to school and I hope that we can continue to make it even better.
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Date: 09-05-2005 18:48
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In the article " The
Misunderstood Role of the Arts in Human Development" by Elliot W.
Eisner, he identifies common core contributions of the arts. The first
contribution was "not all problems have single, correct answers.
This statement interests me because I never realized how in most
subjects students are taught there is only one correct answer or
solution. "The last thing a modern teacher of the arts in
America wants is a class full of standarized performances on a
given task." This is what is so great about art. Students will
always have different perceptions about art. They will have different
interpretations about art work. There is not one single correct answer as
to what one should feel when looking at a piece of art. Or why the artist
used certain colors. Art is so impotrant for students to take in school
because it gives them the opportunity to explore their imagination,
to express how their feeling.
Now that Im a teacher, I get excited
about doing art in my classroom because it is something that I used
to enjoy as a child. For me, art was always that one subject where I
did not have to worry about anything and just have fun. After
reading Eisners article I realized I loved art as child because art gave
me the freedom to draw my own conclusions. Whatever project or
drawing I did, there was never something I could of done wrong.
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Date: 09-06-2005 16:20
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While reading
"The Misunderstood Role of Arts in Human Development" by Elliot
Eisner, I saw that I wholeheartedly agree with him. There is not enough
emphasis of the importance of art in our education system. We should
donate more time teaching them about art. Art brings about imagination
and fosters multiple perspectives. I definitely agree with the statement,
"not all problems have one correct answer." As children we are
taught that one plus one equals two. I believe that mathematics is very
important but it does not foster our imagination and it does not give us
multiple perspectives on life.
Art is one
the best ways for a child to express one's self. I tend to believe that
art is a part of language. It helps us think and use our ideas and
imagination. Some of the greatest professional and business people are
successful because they used their imagination to come up with great
ideas. We as adults should know that there is not only one solution to
our problems that we face in life.
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Date: 09-07-2005 17:22
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My take on the article: In the article
by, Eisner, he really brings about key points, that all educators should
keep in mind. I have a BA in Human Development, and throughout college, i
took classes, that were mind- enhancing, and creative, and they made me
really ponder life's most critical issues. But not through tests, more
through discussions, art, and essay's. As Eisner point's out so many
teacher's are trying to teach kid's to know what is correct on a test,
choice A, or choice B. Not how they found the answer, or what their
opinion is. Art has so many facets, that each student can use art to
enhance the way they think, and the way they interact with others.
Understanding human beings, and the way our minds tick, and the way each
person deals with different situations, are lifes lessons, and
challenges. As Eiser has portrayed throughout the article, that
discovering one's unquiness, and intellect is very important, and we must
try to incorporate creativiity and imaginiation within today's society,
and its future.
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Date: 09-07-2005 17:23
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I agree completely, i love to do art now, and
decorate my classroom, there is so much creativity within ourselves, that
we can teach the children, to be artists in their own way.
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Date: 09-07-2005 18:41
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I agree with Eisner how important
and vital it is for schools to incorporate Art into their
curriculum. When creativity and imagination are not
nurtured, a child's cognitive growth is definitely
limited. Children are naturally curious and inquisitive. A child
must be given the oppourtunity to discover, experiment, and learn that
there may be more than one way, answer or solution to a problem
or situation. Art allows this to happens. It helps an
individual become more well rounded, creative
and flexible.
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Date: 09-09-2005 08:42
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I found that Eisner clearly
articulated alot of the problems that exist in art education today and
enjoyed reading it. As an elementary student, I had an art teacher
who would model a project for us and then gave us the opportunity to
recreate. Although, it was always a fun task, I cannot help but
wonder if it limited us by not allowing us to expand our own thought and
creativity.
While student teaching over the
summer, I disgustedly watched a teacher criticize a young students
attempt at a teacher directed project. The child has fine motor
development issues and when the work of art did not look the same as
the teachers, she made him throw it out and begin again.
Even as I signed up for this course, I
was intimidated (and still am) because of my own fears of not being a
creative person. I once read that children lose their creativity by
the age of 5 as they are forced to conform and "think inside the
box." Eisner effectively postulated the important need for
strong arts education to develop all aspects of child
development.
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Date: 09-09-2005 12:09
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In response to Shari...the FUN of learning is
what will engage our students the most, particularly in early
childhood. And what can kids do? Play, color, draw, dance,
sing, frolic and paint. The arts are FUN, not only for the teacher,
but for the students, and that is our in-road to getting them to
love learning.
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Date: 09-09-2005 12:14
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I entirely agree with you, Nicole, but I might
suggest that we not put more weight on our artistic and expressive students,
but rather try to incorporate art and expression into the learning and
the curriculum for all the students. It is the process of learning
through the arts from which a child will most benefit,
regardless of his or her natural inclinations.
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Date: 09-09-2005 12:23
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I think after reading all the responses and the
article, it is clear that most of us see the value of incorporation of
arts into a classroom, but I feel we mustn't disregard all traditional
learning, as it is our basis for most adult functioning. Speaking
as someone who did function well in the traditional classroom, but became
an artist, those traditional skills certainly helped me in my educational
career as well as my employment. The arts in a classroom MUST be
there, especially in early childhood where the arts remains the language
of children, but the realities of our system as it is dictate that we
have to address the math, the science, the semiotics... the
"single-answer" world. So how do we do this using
artistic and expressive techniques? THIS is an exciting and
important question that I think Elliot Eisner would be very interested in
exploring.
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Date: 09-09-2005 22:56
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I agreed with Eisner on the fact that art
should be part of the curriculum in all schools. During elementary
school, I don't recall doing much art work, except for the holidays when
we created a card for our loved ones. When I entered high school, I was
introduced to photography, and I loved it. I was able to express myself
like I never had before. It was amazing; I especially like creating black
and white prints. I was really touched by Eisner's quote: "The arts,
however, teach the child that the grass is not simply green; it is
lavender, grey, gold. And when it is green, its varieties are
endless." This is how I felt everytime that I developed my own
photos (my own master piece). The whole process of selecting a
scene or event to capture in a photograph took a lot work, but also a lot
dedication. By not including the arts in a child's life, we limit
their abilities to explore and learn. Eisner said that there is no single
correct answer in art, which is totally true. When ever I show my
pictures to someone, they see something totally different from what
I tried to portray. This is great because their view, as well as
mine, is correct. This just proves that we live in a world of
endless possibilities.
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I agree with you, Michael. Even though
curriculum should include art, they should also include other subjects
like Math, Science, English, etc. By including all these areas, we
give children choices. Just like they can succeed in life as an
artist, they can also decide to be a teacher or an accountant. Like I
mentioned in my response, this is a world full of endless possibilities.
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After reading "The Misunderstood Role of
Arts in Education," I believe art should be part of every school's
curriculum, especially early childhood programs. Art promotes
language and fosters imagination and expression. Even though art can
provide these attributes, it is not considered important because
many schools are failing because children are not passing citywide math
and reading exams. Classroom teachers and schools
are emphasizing more time to literacy and math.
Therefore, art is pushed aside and it is not considered priority.
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Date: 09-11-2005 18:05
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I agree with Eisner that art is a major
component in a childs education. We do not expose it to children enough.
Everthing that is being taught in school now is test taking skills that
requires a single correct answer. We do not let children think outside of
the box. After reading Eisner's article, I feel that I need to reevaluate
my ways of teaching in the classroom and to include as much art as
possible.
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Date: 09-11-2005 20:32
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Eisner states that the arts do play a significant role in the
human development. That
language and thought are intertwined with each other. I always thought about art,
music, writing, and poetry as not that important for education until
going to college. I then
realized how much thinking and thought went into music, art, and
writing. Just like Dewey
said: "Words are easily manipulated in mechanical ways, the
productions of a work of genuine art probably demands more intelligence
than does most of the so-called thinking that goes on among those who
pride themselves on being "intellectuals._ When I read that, I thought wow that is so true. Furthermore, I realized that
schoolchildren are trained to be good followers, but are not trained to
think for themselves when the answer is not black or white, but
grey. Eisner says, _The arts
teach a different lesson_, which in life things do happen and there might
not be a single correct answer. I came to the realization that fine arts
is not just important to children, but to adults too.
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I agree that i use to think that Art,
Music and physical education were not as important as other subjects in
school until i got oldier and had to take an art class as well in
college. It completly changed my thought on teaching art in
schools. I was always afraid in art that my work was not good
enough or i was going to be laughed at since i am not a good drawer or
painter. I hid my work and got fustrated when i tried to complete
my assignments. I was not proud of my product once i saw the other
students pieces, than i learned that there is no right or wrong way as
long as you created it and gave it your all.
Art is a form that is created by the
artist and means something to them. It expresses feelings and
emotions, and i think it is great for children to be able to have
an opportunity to express themselves in that form. Children have so
much pressure placed on them with all these new mandated tests that they
loose sight of why they are learning certain things. In art class they
can let go and create pieces out of fun and how they feel. They
learn that there work is wondeful because it is their creation. My
students have art three times a week and i strongly agree with
that. It teaches them so many different things and i really believe
it helps their creativity, confidence, and socializations skills.
My students love to share with eachother their work becuase they
know that what they create is their own work and there is no set rules
when it comes to creating art.
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I agree that art really enhances children's
learning by letting them think outside the box. It gets their minds
working and helps to get them engaged in the work. I try to
incorporate art into my english class since that is what i teach as much
as possible and they really are more engaged in the lesson when art is
included.
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Date: 09-11-2005 21:07
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I agree that the arts are not emphasized to be
as important as the other academice subjects such as science, math or
english and others but the arts is just as important to the development
of the mind as those other subjects. According to Eisner, art fosters
expression and discovery where there is no single right answer or
solution to a problem. It is a process of communication with the medium
and it develops the childrens imagination and gives them possibility to
experiment with different ideas.
Therefore i also agree that the arts should be given the same value and
allocated the same amount of time as the other subjects.
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Subject "What kind of culture do we
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This was a quote from reading that I think is
important to consider. Not only does art reflect artist's feelings about
society, but the children's feelings. Through learning about the
"language of the line", we can learn about our students through
their art. Are they happy? Are they upset? They may not tell you, but
their art might. In addition, many people suggest that strengthening one
domain will strengthen others. For instance, encouraging art may boost a
child's creativity. As a response, he or she may use this creativity in a
number of different mediums. For instance, he or she may become creative
with conflict resolution, problem solving, or inventing. In our
competitive world, creativity is what moves us forward. Art has an
important role in this progress and it should not be overlooked.
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Michael says "The arts in a
classroom MUST be there, especially in early childhood where the arts
remains the language of children." That statement is so
important not just for the really young children who are unable to
express themselves fully since they have not yet acquired the vocabulary
and language to express their thoughts and feelings but also to those
that are new to the english language and cannot express themselves fully because
of their limited grasp on the language. Having a medium to
express yourself that is free is unbelievably powerful because it
not only lets the artist create and express themselves but it allows
others to see and understand the artist in a way they were unable to due
to the limits that hinder them.
In the school where I work, the curriculum is heavy on the academics
but it also has a spectacular arts program. You can see the
confidence of the children build as they perform in the various arts program. Each
grade has something different and as they move through the different
grade levels they experience new forms of art from regular music classes,
to cooking, learning about different musical instruments and composing
songs, chorus, learning to play the violin, dancing and putting
on a show with the NDI program, Rosie's Broadway Kids and ballroom
dancing. As they go through these art programs the children become
more self assured, self confident and outspoken as well as gaining a more
rounded experience in their education. Creating and performing in a
show gives the students such an amazing sense of accomplishment and a
sense of pride and is truly an experience that every child should have
the opportunity to go through.
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I have not yet read through every
posting, as I felt compelled to add my bit...
I believe that a child can retain
information that has been presented to him/her much quicker when more
than one area of the brain has been engaged. By allowing a child to
participate in the arts, the child will be able to utilize what he/she
has discovered through experimentation and apply it to the different
disciplines taught in schools. For example, a child, who can
physically blend the colors yellow and blue to make green, will truly
comprehend the concept of primary and secondary colors. I believe
that the education system is completely amiss by not permitting children
to foster their creative development in school.
As a teacher, I agree with the point
that "not all problems have single, correct answers." My
love of teaching stems from my belief that there can be multiple ways to
solve a problem as well. For example, we know that 3+3=6.
However, through trials, we understand that 4+2=6, as well as 5+1.
By allowing children to participate in such experimentation, we are
helping them understand information, which has been presented to them, on
a much deeper level.
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